SameOldShawn: I was going to ask you about the Martin case and the Zimmerman verdict, and your thoughts about that.

Umar bin Hassan: For centuries and centuries, black men have been killed in this country, and nobody has..It goes all the way back to Emmett Till and Cheney and Swooney[?] and a whole lot of other black men and women who were racistly [?]. So for once, we were hoping that maybe there was a chance for that to be erased. And the verdict was..it just blew our minds because we could see that it was a clear case of murder. Whether it was racist murder or whatever, it was a clear case. Just take the race out of it, that it was a clear case of murder, man. He murdered that young boy because the young boy I think probably was getting the best out of him in a thing, and he killed the boy. Which wouldn't have happened if he had followed directions, don't follow, leave him alone

But then, there was a case up in Milwaukee where this old guy named Spooner shot this .33 'bout last year, but he finally got convicted this year. They were showing the video on YouTube where he killed this 13 year old boy, shot him in the chest, shot him dead

We saw the interview. The boy's taking the family garbage can, and putting it back to the back of the house. This old white man, he's about 76, he's out there, "What are you doing? You're stealing from me. I know you're stealing from me." Basically told people the guy was stealing from him

They got in a little argument. And he had his .38. First he pointed it at the young boy. Then his mother came out on the porch and said something, and he pointed the gun at her, and said, "You got something to say, bitch?" And then he turned the gun back and shot the young boy in the chest, killed him. Just killed him. And I was upset for that. That upset me more than watching or hearing about Trayvon. Just shot that boy to death. It gets to a black man, you know?

But then too what gets to us is that there's so many of our young kids killing each other. People say, well, white people kill each other too. But we have to make an effort to learn these black men to stop killing themselves or setting themselves up to be killed, because people use it as justification. "Y'all kill each other, so how you gonna be upset cause we kill you?" And that's the justification that's being used now. Every time you see someone arguing on Fox News or TV, the white person will say, "Well, what about your own communities? What about your own communities?"

So this racial thing -- you know, if anything's gonna bring America down, it's gonna be the racial thing. It ain't gonna be the terrorists. It's not gonna be the Russians. It's gonna be race, the fact that we haven't gotten over race in the last, haven't gotten over it yet in all the years of being here. Everybody comes here and they gotta deal with other people of color -- the Jewish, the Spanish, the French -- but we still have not learned how to be real with one another

But I always talk about "discussion" on race. Yeah, but it's got to be a real discussion. Both sides is gonna have to admit some of they bullshit that they're responsible for because it's like this. It can't be blamed on one side. Both sides are gonna have to admit some things, and I don't think both sides are ready to do that yet