Michael Watts: With the first crew, right, it wasn't a business. It was just like us being homeboys and we just doin' this shit for the fun of it, right? So when it got to the point of us saying, "Hey, we need to have contracts, we need to organize deals and this and that, we could never get it together with that crew because we was running that sloppy. Like we was selling drugs or something, know what I mean? You can't tell somebody after they been out there hustling on the street that "Hey, we need a contract for this shit", you know? So when it came down to trying to do it the corporate way and the right way so we could make some real money, it seemed like I couldn't get everybody on the same page to do it the right way so we said fuck it. We're just gonna start another crew and do it the right way

SameOldShawn: So that was that period when it was those guys and then you added a few other artists and then that kinda morphed into the whole second wave of Swishahouse?

Michael Watts: Yeah. And then the crazy thing about what blew Mike up is that all this hype that Swishahouse has built over the years... It was all just focused on him. Cuz everybody else wasn't there!

SameOldShawn: I never thought about it that way; that makes perfect sense

Michael Watts: Yeah. So he got all that attention that grew nationally that was spread amongst everybody that just went straight to the one point